Bob Thiel in his COGwriter blog has announced the address of the website of the new Continuing Church of God (CCOG) he has started as http://www.ccog.org/
Here is a link to his announcement:
Last Friday I posted about why I thought Robert Thiel should not be considered a prophet at this time. To sum up, there are two reasons. I do not think there is sufficient evidence that Dr. Thiel has received any prophetic revelations from God. And I think, even if he did make unusually accurate predictions that turned out to be true, the fact that he includes non-biblical prophecies in his books and blog posts, which I believe is contrary to scripture, most likely disqualifies him.
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods'-which you have not known-'and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul" (Deuteronomy 13:1-3). If Satan inspires pagan prophecies, he is doing it for a purpose, to deceive men and to do harm, and we should not listen to them or use Satanic or demon inspired prophetic revelations to know details of future events that God does not reveal to us in the Bible, nor should we use pagan prophecies to "back up" or "confirm" or "prove" that God's word is true. We should not open the door to Satan's deceptions.
Not only is it wrong for us to focus on the occult or on non-biblical prophecies, to do so publicly sets a wrong example for the very public we are trying to teach and warn.
Also, we reap what we sow. If we open the door to Satan's deceptive prophecies, if we introduce people to these things which they have not known, might not God allow Satan to directly inspire false visions, dreams, and messages in our minds? And could not God allow Satan to give Bob Thiel false dreams, false visions, false prophetic messages, even messages that are fulfilled, messages that seem to be "signs and wonders", because Dr. Thiel has put demon-inspired pagan prophecies in his books and blogs?
I think Bob Thiel is playing with fire. The only thing that protects him now from receiving false visions and dreams from Satan and his demons, even signs and wonders that come to pass, is God's restraint of Satan.
I am sure Satan would love to use Bob Thiel as a tool to deceive people in the Church of God. I am sure he would love to give him dreams, visions, and messages predicting things that Satan knows will happen, so that when Bob Thiel publishes these messages, and then they come to pass with an accuracy that cannot be explained except by supernatural influence, people will then think of Bob Thiel as a prophet, and he will be confirmed in his own mind and strengthened in his opinion that he is a prophet. Then, once Satan has set him up this way, he will be able to use Dr. Thiel to deceive those in the Church of God who regard him as a prophet, and he can use him to pull people out of any organization that is effectively preaching the gospel and the Ezekiel warning, which Satan hates.
What is to prevent that?
Do Satan and his demons have that power? Yes they do (1 Kings 22:19-28).
So what is to prevent that?
The only defense between Dr. Thiel and Satan's deceptive influence is God.
Yet God lets us reap what we sow. "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap" (Galatians 6:7).
God has warned us clearly not to pay attention to pagan prophecies, the occult, and the like. "For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the Lord your God has not appointed such for you" (Deuteronomy 18:14). That sounds to me like a command from God, not a suggestion we can ignore.
Look at this verse again, closely. What is it that God has "not appointed" for us? LISTENING to soothsayers and diviners. This includes in principle the pagan, Satan-inspired prophecies that Bob Thiel likes to quote from. God warns us not to listen to the very things that Dr. Thiel publishes and spreads.
And in Deuteronomy 13:1-3, what does God say regarding those who teach we should go after other Gods, which clearly describes some of the pagan prophets Bob Thiel quotes? "You shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams" (verse 3). We are not to listen to the words of pagan prophecies.
Now, God does sometimes test his people by allowing Satan and his demons to give signs and wonders and even predict the future to see if his people really love God - Deuteronomy 13:1-3 says so.
In fact, since the whole world is going to be deceived by a beast and false prophet who will work signs and wonders to deceive, isn't it possible that God might first test the Church of God to see if we will follow someone who makes predictions that come to pass, but does not teach according to the Bible? Isn't it possible that God will test the Church first, and then the world? For if we ourselves believe false prophets more than the Bible, what right do we have to be protected in a place of safety from a world deceived by false prophets?
Suppose God intends to use someone that way, to test the Church of God today. Suppose God intends to give Satan permission and power to deceive a well-known person in the Church of God to see who among the brethren pays attention. Who would God give over to Satan for that purpose?
God is merciful and fair, and I do not think he would turn over to Satan someone who is faithful and is obeying God. But if there is a person who is not obeying what the Bible says in Deuteronomy 13:1-3 and Deuteronomy 18:14 and who refuses to repent, someone who justifies his disobedience rather than striving to overcome it, someone who already publishes and spreads Satanic-inspired prophecies, introducing people to the prophecies of pagans, which they have not known before they started reading his writings, then the scriptural principle may apply, "what you sow, you shall reap." In other words, if a man spreads what Satan has inspired, God may allow Satan to "inspire" that man!
How dangerous is that?
I think Bob Thiel should be afraid. He is on very dangerous ground here.
If you play with fire, you are likely to be burnt.
One of the controversies Bob Thiel has with the LCG ministry is the understanding of the "falling away" prophecy, does it apply to the Church only or the world too? How ironic if God allows Satan to deceive Bob Thiel with visions or dreams to be Satan's tool in fulfilling this prophecy, in part anyway, for the Church of God. How ironic if Bob Thiel proves that the falling away applies to the Church of God by helping to fulfill it.
Whatever spirit influences inspired the pagan prophecies Dr. Thiel quotes, those influences have a purpose in mind. Satan and his demons did not inspire these prophecies for their own entertainment and recreation. They want to hurt and destroy God's Church and God's work. They inspired those prophecies so those prophecies would be preserved and spread and eventually used for Satan's purposes. And Bob Thiel helps to spread them, especially in the Church of God.
Bob Thiel has been deleting statements in his websites that say that LCG is Philadelphia. He should be more diligent to delete posts that refer to pagan prophecies to make his points. He should pull any of his books which contain pagan prophecies from publication. Then he can write and publish books, if he wants, that teach prophecy from the Bible only.
And just to be clear, I am not criticizing the comparison of pagan prophecies with the Bible to show that those prophecies are wrong. I am not against showing that a certain pagan prophecy that other religions are deceived by must be a false prophecy because it contradicts the Bible. If that was the only way Bob Thiel used these prophecies, to prove them false, I would not have a problem with it. But I don't think that is the case.
In at least one post about Barack Obama for example, Dr. Thiel quotes a Kenyan prophet as saying that the destruction of the United States will come through one of Kenya's own sons (President Obama's father is Kenyan). Dr. Thiel did not quote this to show, from the Bible, that this non-biblical prophecy is wrong. So why did he quote and report it? What is the point? Most readers of Dr. Thiel's blog knew nothing about this. Why should we? Do we need to know this little tidbit of information about the future, which God does not reveal in the Bible, but Satan might have inspired? It is as if Satan says to us, "Come on, listen to me, I have some very juicy and interesting details about the future that I am sure you will love to know that God doesn't tell you in the Bible. Let me fill you in - you're going love this."
What this does is condition Church of God members to think it is all right to read non-biblical prophecies to get some details about future events that the Bible does not give. That is not right. If there is something God wants us to know about the future, He will tell us in the Bible, but we should not go to prophecies inspired by the spirit world, but not of God, to get more details than God gives us.
If this is a prophecy about Barack Obama, what spirit influence inspired it, and why?
I don't know of anyone, any leader or writer, in the whole Church of God who has so publicly and so blatantly exposed himself to the dangers of Satanic and demonic influence by ignoring God's warnings in Deuteronomy 13:1-3 and Deuteronomy 18:14 to pay no attention to spirit influences that are not of God, the occult, pagan prophecies, and the like. This is what Dr. Thiel does in my opinion when he publishes pagan prophecies. This is a danger that should not be underestimated or discounted. God does not warn us about these things for nothing.
"God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap" (Galatians 6:7).